Indian wind power generators told to put up or pay up

Run on a fat pile of subsidies, given in return for nothing but hollow promises – the wind industry has just been called to back its wild claims about powering millions of homes for “free” in India.

No doubt confected outrage will follow from wind weasels and the parasites that feed off of them.

HOW DARE grid managers – let alone power consumers – demand that power be supplied in a reliable, measured and stable way?

Everyone is supposed to LOVE wind turbines – isn’t that what the survey trotted out by the Clean Energy Council says?

There is no answer to the fact that the wind is intermittent and that wind power goes AWOL every day and for days on end.  It would be kind of funny – if we weren’t paying for it.

The problem is no different in Australia – save that here – we have an energy pool infested with peaking-power-piranhas ready to fire up in a heartbeat and cash in when the wind stops blowing right across the Eastern Grid 80-100 times a year.  The grid doesn’t collapse – but power consumers end up carrying the can for the insane costs of running OCGTs and diesel generators for long periods when wind-watts go missing.

The greentard just can’t come to grips with the fact that wind power is premised on a technology which was redundant as soon as James Watt started flogging his curious whirling steam kettle in 1776. Born in the 18th Century – by the end of the 19th Century – steam power had put wind and water mills out of business and banished the role of sailing ships to playing parts in pirate films.

steam engine

This is Watt helped us out of the stone age. Cheap
and reliable – wind power was thereafter redundant.

Wind Forecast Order Jeopardizes Industry, Tata Power Says
Natalie Obiko Pearson
16 July 2013

India’s move to stabilize its power grid by asking wind farms to accurately predict their output a day in advance or face fines will deepen the slowdown in Asia’s second-biggest wind market, Tata Power Co. (TPWR) said.

A directive took effect this week ordering wind farms with a capacity of 10 megawatts or more to forecast their generation in 15-minute blocks for the following day. Missing estimates by more than 30 percent will incur penalties.

“Forecasting at 15-minute intervals is very challenging,” and could cost a 100-megawatt farm an estimated 250 million rupees ($4.2 million) a year, Tata Power said in an e-mailed response to questions. “Developers will see this as a further handicap” and penalties will “jeopardize” the industry’s growth, the nation’s second-biggest developer said.

India’s wind market is already reeling from a 42 percent plunge in turbine installations in the last financial year after the government withdrew subsidies.  Some of the biggest developers including Tata Power, CLP Holdings Ltd. (2), and Goldman Sachs Group (GS) Inc.-backed ReNew Wind Power Pvt. have slowed plans for new projects, while turbine sales plunged for Suzlon Energy Ltd. (SUEL) and Gamesa Corp Tecnologica SA. (GAM).

The order from India’s Central Electricity Regulatory Commission took effect yesterday. Wind farms will use seasonal records and weather forecasting tools for their estimates. Fines will be paid to state utilities through a new Renewable Regulatory Fund.

Biggest Blackout

Volatile generation led to the world’s biggest blackout last year after grid collapses on two straight days cut off power to half of the country’s 1.2 billion people. The infrastructure can’t cope with intermittent wind and sun-power generation, which has doubled in capacity in five years to almost 20 gigawatts.

“There are bound to be problems in the short term,” said V. Subramanian, chief executive officer of the Indian Wind Energy Association. “However, in the long run this is a development that would make the wind sector a responsible constituent of the grid.”

Transmission companies and the grid operators would accept larger quantities of wind power, he said. It would also open up new markets by facilitating the sale of wind power across state borders, something that isn’t possible now, Subramanian said.

The directive also orders solar parks to estimate generation. They won’t be fined as output is smaller and less volatile, according to Rajiv Bansal, secretary at the Central Electricity Regulatory Commission.

The task of forecasting wind and solar power is complex and will impose a financial and operational burden on the renewable companies, said Vibhav Nuwal, director of REConnect Energy Solutions Pvt., which advises companies on the energy meters and forecasting tools used to meet the new rules.

“The level of accuracy achieved by various projects that have done trials leaves a lot to be desired,” Nuwal said. “Projects may immediately face financial obligations.”

The good news in all that is that Suzlon – already struggling – looks like hitting the wall very soon.  It’s part of the ridiculous CERES project on SA’s Yorke Peninsula.  So Suzlon’s collapse won’t be mourned for long on YP.

STT says – look on the bright side – there’ll be plenty of work over the next year or so for liquidators and law firms doing insolvency work as they clean up the financial mess created by the likes of Vestas, Suzlon and Infigen (ie Babcock and Brown Mk II).

There’s always a bright side, wind weasels – just give a little whistle.


Look on the bright side, wind weasels. You’ll keep
insolvency practitioners in clover for years to come.

About stopthesethings

We are a group of citizens concerned about the rapid spread of industrial wind power generation installations across Australia.


  1. Noel Dean. says:

    Bring it on.
    Stop Payment to Acciona.
    Stop non-compliance.
    Stop the pain and suffering – the body pains do not stop after moving away from the turbines – and make the wind weasels accountable for their actions.

    Pacifichydro produced a noise report at the senate inquiry implying a correct assessment of sound using Gweighting from a hole in the ground to assess infrasound. The information is completely useless because there is no author and no specification of sound measurement used.

    LAeq sound measurement was used in the international testing report for the Waubra Turbine, without consideration for multiple turbines. LAeq can NOT be assessed using only Gweighting because of very narrow frequency band [10 to 20hz] 1hz to 10hz and harmonics is not properly considered, let alone at levels less than 1hz.

    The pulsing of sound coming from turbines in a wide range of frequencies and the resulting harmonics has been well recognized around the world to be made considerably worse when the turbines are placed too close together and near homes. The resultant increases are not allowed for in the sound predictions. This creation of modulating air pressure from turbines has drawn adverse health affects world wide for many years.

    The pulsing effect of sound pressure can be assessed using LAeq -this is the logarithmic average sound level from all sources far and near, where as LA95 used at Waubra does not consider the swooshing or pulsing sound from the turbines.

    In the recent [JUNE 2012] independent compliance testing at Waubra, methods LAeq and LA95 was used at 6 locations. The outcome of this testing revealed that using the method LA95 the level was [31db to 41db] and when using LAeq method was [43db to 61db]. An increase in sound when measuring the pulses with LAeq was in the range of 9 db to 20 db over and above the testing method used by the developer at Waubra using LA95, making all 6 locations non compliant.

    Who is responsible for this non compliance mess?

    A) Is it the turbine and or blade manufacturer?

    B) Is it the initial wind farm designers not complying to wind farm design rules?

    C) Is it the people who changed the initial windfarm design?

    D) Is it the people who approved the wind farm design?

    E) Is it the people in council who vilified people who complained and avoided their responsibility to act ensuring compliance?

    F) Is it the acoustic people who have done the above report for pacifichydro that falsely dismisses any connection to cause of harm?

    G) Is it the Victorian Health Department for not being responsible for people’s health and wellbeing in saying their is no possible way that turbines can make people ill, when the developer has purchased up to 7 houses because of noncompliance?

    H) Is it the person who signed off on the Operation Environment Management Plan stage 2 [Waubra] April 2009 which allowed the developer to break the law and completely ignore the requirements of complaints procedure to ensure compliance?

    I) Is it the CEO of the operator who is responsible for any health issues and compliance to let the above happen?

    J) Is it the Generation Manager [Acciona Waubra] who said at the senate inquiry that complaints in regards to compliance had been addressed when this was NOT SO?

    K) Is it the people who give or get money supporting the establishment of these things even though there is no assurance plan in place for compliance?

    L) Is it the planning panel for not complying to its responsibility of ensuring compliance to windfarm design rules in their report to the planning department?

    M) Is it because their are no clear guidelines for poorly or untrained people to assess sound levels when complaints are being made in relation to the amplitude modulation of the sound compliance program [SACs]?

    I think they all need rounding up and to be made accountable.

    Noel Dean.

  2. Ross Cameron`s recent ABC Drum article “Coalition preferences against political extremism” whilst not on the subject of wind farms, was aimed at the greentards, wind weasels and their ideological support for anything or nothing.

    A good read although Ross is a wee bit hypocritical, and perhaps “naïve” to suggest the Libs are principled by not giving their preferences to the greens and refers to the stance the Libs took in 2010 to preference the One Nation party last. Had One Nation survived they may have held the balance of power and I doubt they would have supported the insane growth of wind farms and subsequent massive waste of tax payers money.

  3. King Island Currie says:


    The WINDGE INDUSTRY cries foul when compliance as responsible corporate energy supplier is demanded for essential grid stability.

    The masquerade as a base load sustainable alternative is over.

    Their dishonesty is exposed, and no amount of greenwash can deny the laws of physics and electrical energy.

    The same laws which have scientifically been demonstrated to explain the cause-effect mechanism of their acoustic pollution adversely impacting human health of neighbours. Which the industry continues to obfuscate and lie about.
    They are on the slippery slope of their own dishonesty and on the way down. The sooner they sail over the cliff the better…

  4. Jackie Rovensky says:

    And once again it takes a country other than Australia to initiate the lead in something sensible. When will our governments begin to take positive leads?
    We have been calling for a number of years for common sense to prevail in respect to the wind energy industry, an industry bloated by support of government subsidies paid from a depleted public purse which we, who do not support this subsidising, have our savings and pockets ransacked to pay for it.
    This industry sucks us dry as it moves around the world like the wind itself returning in a never ending movement to draw on our reserves to keep it ‘fuelled’.

  5. Grant King of Origin Energy said it last year, and now the Indian Government has come to the same conclusion: wind energy is the least reliable and most problematic of all renewables. However the Australian Government is still to wake up…

  6. I can guarantee you there will be no mourning on Yorke Peninsula, when Suzlon/REPower collapses, STT, but I can guarantee you, there will be some celebrating.

  7. The above can’t happen soon enough, bring it on.

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