Why Wind & Solar Will Never Be Meaningful Power Sources (It’s A Reliability Thing)

In a word association game, you’ll never find ‘reliability’ paired up with ‘wind’ or ‘solar’. Sunset and calm weather are very real things and so is the idea that power consumers want power as and when they need it, not when the sun’s shining at its zenith in a bright blue sky or the wind is blowing “just right”.

Meaningful power generators know the drill: deliver the goods, all day, every day, whatever the weather, and customers will beat a path to your door.

Wind and solar outfits, on the other hand, couldn’t care less whether you had power, or not. Their only real interest in their occasional delivery of electricity is pocketing the endless subsidies that follow.

We recently posted a helpful analysis by David Wojick on why claims about the grid-scale storage of wind and solar power are the perfect nonsense. This time David provides further detail about why wind and solar will never amount to meaningful power sources.

Unreliability makes solar power impossibly expensive
David Wojick
19 January 2022

Many states and the utilities they regulate are talking about replacing their coal and gas fired generators with solar and wind power. For example, I recently wrote about how the crazy-named Virginia Clean Economy Act already has almost 800 square miles of solar slabs in the developmental lineup. See https://www.cfact.org/2021/12/27/paving-virginia-with-solar-slabs-is-a-bad-law/

Given the high intermittency of wind and solar the idea of running on solar and wind turns out to be an extremely costly prospect. It is all about reliability. Electricity must be there when we need it. Below I present some simple calculations that show just how bad this idea really is.

Reliability analysis of large scale solar and wind power generation can be very complex. Both depend on the weather, which can vary dramatically and quickly. Both can depend heavily on other available power sources, if available. They can also depend on each other under some conditions.

Here we will simply analyze certain basic features of power generation, as a way to scale the issues. For a start we will simply consider what a stand alone 1,000 MW solar system with battery storage requires for reliability.

The 1,000 MW is power reliably delivered to the grid around the clock. Because of intermittency, considerably more than 1,000 MW of generating capacity will be required. A lot of battery storage will also be required. Thus the capital cost will be a lot more than simply the cost of 1,000 MW of generating capacity. We will discuss these additional costs. Note that adding wind power does not reduce these very large costs.

Given this simple 1,000 MW analysis it will be relatively easy to then consider other possible systems of different size and with different features.

Reliability of 1,000 MW of round the clock solar generation
Solar is relatively simple because of the predictable daily cycle of night and day. Generating times do differ depending on the time of year. They also vary depending on how moveable the panels are, that is to what degree they can track the sun’s daily movement across the sky.

The full sun case
For simplicity let us first assume 8 hours of full sun and full power every day. Clearly we need 16 hours of storage every night. That is 16,000 MWh of battery storage. We also need another 2,000 MW of generating capacity to charge the batteries every day.

So the full sun requirements are 3,000 MW of solar generating capacity and 16,000 MWh of storage capacity, in order to reliable generate 1,000 MW around the clock.

The dark cloudy days case
Solar generating capacity can be drastically reduced on dark cloudy days. When very cloudy the output can be reduced to just 10% of nameplate capacity. Dark cloudiness can last for days, thus requiring more battery backup along with the generating capacity to charge these dark days batteries.

How many successive days of dark cloudiness to design for is a complex question of local and regional meteorology. Here we simply use 5 days but it easily could be more. Five dark days certainly happens from time to time in most states. In Virginia’s case it can happen over the whole Mid-Atlantic region, so no one has significant solar power. This rules out buying solar power from the neighbors.

Reliability requires designing for these relatively extreme events. With conventional generation you design for maximum need for power but with wind and solar you also have to design for minimum supply. That minimum case is what I am looking at here.

The required battery capacity is simple. Five days at 24 hours a day is 120 hours. To supply a steady 1,000 MW that is a whopping 120,000 MWh of storage. We already have the overnight storage capacity for 16 hours so we now need an additional 104 hours, which means 104,000 MWh of additional storage.

However, the required additional generating capacity to charge these dark days batteries is far from simple. It all depends on how long we have to do the charging. The more time we have the smaller the required generating capacity.

It is vital to get the dark days batteries charged before the next dark days arrive, which in some cases might be very soon. This too is a matter of meteorology. To be conservative we here first assume that we have two bright sunny days to do the job.

Two days gives us 16 hours of charging time for the needed 120,000 MWh, which requires a large 7,500 MW of generating capacity. We already have 3,000 MW of generating capacity but that is in use providing round the clock sunny day power. It is not available to help recharge the dark days batteries. Turns out we need a whopping 10,500 MW of solar generating capacity.

This 10,500 MW is a lot considering we only want to reliably generate 1,000 MW around the clock. Moreover, some of this additional generating capacity will seldom be used. But reliability is like that due to the great variability of weather. In conventional fossil fueled generation the extreme event that drives design is peak need (also called peak demand). Special generators called “peakers” are used for this case. In the solar case the special equipment is batteries or other forms of storage.

Note that if we have 5 days to recharge the dark days batteries then the amount of required generation is a lot less. Five days gives us 40 hours to charge the 120,000 MWh so one only needs 3,000 MW of additional generating capacity, added to the 3,000 MW we need to produce daily power on sunny days.

At this point we need 120,000 MWh of battery storage and from 6,000 to 10,500 MW of generating capacity, in order to reliable supply 1,000 MW of round the clock power.

These large numbers occur because following a period of dark cloudy days we are doing three things simultaneously during the daylight generating hours. We are (1) generating 1,000 MW of immediately used electricity, while recharging both the (2) nighttime batteries and the (3) dark days batteries.

Note too that the numbers should actually be bigger. Batteries are not charged 100% and then drained to zero. The standard practice is to operate between 80% and 20%. In that case the available storage is just 60% of the nameplate capacity. This turns the dark days 120,000 MWh into a requirement for 200,000 MWh.

The cost of the dark days case
A standard figure from EIA for the cost of grid scale battery arrays is $250 per kWh, which gives $250,000 per MWh. At this cost the required 200,000 MWh of storage for around the clock 1,000 MW is $50 billion.

A standard EIA figure for PV solar capacity is $1300 per kW or $1,300,000 per MW. This makes the 6,000 to 10,500 MW cost $7.8 to 13.7 billion.

This makes $60 billion for just 1,000 MW a good rough estimate for stand alone solar capacity to meet the 5 dark cloudy days case. (As explained below, adding wind power does not reduce this number because the 5 dark days may also see zero wind output.)

The partly cloudy case
The partly cloudy days case is far more complex. Much of the time this loss of solar generation might be handled with the dark days batteries. But this may not be the case if the dark days event is either preceded or followed by partly cloudy days, especially if these are relatively dark. Note that partly cloudy here includes complete cloudiness where the cloud cover is light enough to still enable significantly more than the 10% generation under the dark days case.

Given these complexities the partly cloudy case is beyond the scope of this simple analysis. It is very likely that this case will require additional battery storage and generating capacity. How much is hard to say.

Note too that several costly features are not included. One example is transmission to get solar power from point of origin to load centers, which may be distant. Another is a reserve generating capacity or margin of safety, which might be as high as 20%. One cannot assume everything will work perfectly when the system is stressed. This is especially true if the dark days include widespread heavy snowfall, which can greatly delay recharging.

Reliability of round the clock wind generation to back up solar
Wind generation does not share the predictable daily cycle that solar enjoys so it is more complex from the beginning. With solar we can count on relatively good ongoing generation on most days. Wind power can drop to nothing frequently during a day, as well as delivering nothing for several days in a row and very little for long periods of time in many locations.

It is not a matter of no wind, just low wind. Wind generators require sustained winds of considerable velocity in order begin to generate substantial amounts of power. In many parts of the country stagnant, multi-day high pressure systems cause both low wind and a heavy need for electricity.

It is very important to note that because of this great variability wind power cannot be used to reduce the massive requirements of the dark days solar case. This is because it is always possible that there will be no wind power during the dark days, as well as during the recharge time after this extreme event. A stand alone solar and wind system has to be designed to handle this extreme, but common, possibility.

Solar and wind power cannot replace coal and gas at a reasonable cost. Intermittency makes solar and wind power impossibly expensive. This is likely true in all states and certainly in Virginia.

At least the (occasional) energy source is free!

6 thoughts on “Why Wind & Solar Will Never Be Meaningful Power Sources (It’s A Reliability Thing)

  1. mark49loutlookcom is invited to call my office to exchange email addresses: 607-734-0661 to discuss these matters in more detail privately.

  2. And the gullible still believe that sunshine and breezes are cheap!
    The apathy among the populace is appalling.
    They would only have to do a very little bit of research to find out some of the many pitfalls of ‘unreliables’.
    They are not fit for purpose!

  3. Several people have analyzed this question using real data. Euan Mearns did it for all of England and Scotland, using total solar+wind output for 2016 with half-hour resolution. Norman Rodgers did a similar calculation for Texas. Matt Shaner et al did a calculation for all of North America using 36 years of geophysical data (not generation data). I did a calculation for California using 2016-2020 data. See http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/Worse.html for the results (and links to results by Mearns, Rodgers, and Shaner et al). Summary: 400-3000 watt-hours of storage are needed per watt of average demand, depending upon location and the mix of solar and wind. Activists say an all-electric American energy economy would have 1,700 GWe average demand. Do the fourth-grade arithmetic: The cost is at least TWICE TOTAL USA GDP EVERY YEAR for batteries alone.

    While you’re at it, look at http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/Nuclear.html.

  4. All solar module power is measured by virtual artificial light Photovoltaic is a blood sucking insect parasitic on the existing power system!
    Fake solar panels made in China, causes more and more wildfire.

  5. Sustain: ” To maintain, or cause to continue, in existence or a certain state, to keep up; prolong, as to sustain conversation for hours; to endure without failing or yielding.” See Merriam-Webster Dictionary. 
    Wind and Solar are NOT ‘sustainable”, as it can neither endure, prolong or keep up without failing or yielding.  Wind fails every time that the air calms or the Blades and Turbines ice up and stop.  Solar fails in the dark, under clouds, under snow, in the rain, during hail.
    Let’s not pretend any more that they are sustainable.  They are NOT SUSTAINABLE.  To say so is at best an ugly turn of Orwellian Newspeak or at worst a Goebbels-like fabricated public lie made permanent by the repeated publication of the lie until no one remembers what the truth was before the lie. It is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty. 

    1. Also unsustainable: the short service lives of wind/solar/batteries with their non-recyclable components, the exponentially increasing worldwide demand for raw materials processed without environmental safeguards by oppressed people, the very drumbeat of climate fear and insecurity which enables the lie to be accepted as a necessity by those who know better, the ever increasing capital demands for a commodity (energy) which heretofore was merely a tool for human evolution but now becomes the the goal.

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