Labor’s Renewables Insanity Hits New High With Bill Shorten’s Million Battery Brain Fart

Musk hoodwinked SA, now Bill Shorten
wants to hoodwink the entire Country.

 

Despite the hype from RE zealots, the chaotic and occasional delivery of wind and solar won’t be cured with batteries, large or small.

Sure, at a technical level, it is possible to store large volumes of electricity for a period, such that it might be released when power consumers need it. However, were such a thing ever attempted, the cost of the electricity generated, stored and later released would be astronomical and beyond the reach of all but dot.com billionaires and rock stars.

The world’s largest battery cuts a lonely figure in a paddock near Jamestown in South Australia’s mid North; it doesn’t generate power; it stores a piddling 100 MW worth; it consumes power during each charge/discharge cycle, lost as heat energy; it cost taxpayers $150 million; and would satisfy SA’s minimum power demand for all of four minutes. On those hard numbers, anyone talking about batteries providing an economic solution to Australia’s energy crisis, is either delusional or hoping to sell them.

Those fantasists claiming that we’re a heartbeat away from running entirely on sunshine and breezes, need to keep up the line about giant batteries being the simple solution to a glaring problem.

The latest brain fart from Australia’s Federal Labor opposition – headed up by Trade Union puppet, Bill Shorten – is that a million households will take up lithium-ion batteries of the kind peddled by Californian carpetbagger, Elon Musk. The doobie smoking guru of space travel for billionaires managed to con South Australians into believing that his mega-battery would save the day every time the sun sets and/or calm weather sets in. It hasn’t, but that’s another story.

Now, Bill Shorten wants to pull the same trick across the entire country, by having the proletariat swallow the idea that strapping tiny 5-7kW batteries to the walls of thousands of suburban homes means we can all run entirely on sunshine and breezes. It is, of course, perfect nonsense.

A 7kW battery (along with the inverter and necessary infrastructure) will set a household back something like $24-28,000, excluding the solar panels that are meant to be the power source that notionally fills up the tank. In what might be called Bill Shorten’s battery lottery, Shorten is offering 100,000 lucky homeowners $2,000 (of taxpayer’s money) towards the cost of their Tesla power walls. Any economist worth their salt will note that battery manufacturers will simply increase the price of their units to swallow up the $2,000 offered by Shorten.

The batteries will be lucky to last 7 years, maybe 10, at best; depending on the number of cycles and the draw during each cycle – try to regularly power a power-hungry reverse cycle air-conditioner big enough to heat or cool an entire home, and the battery might be lucky to last a year or two, before being shipped off to a toxic waste dump.

And, instead of being charged by the solar panels on the roof, the bulk of the electricity to recharge Shorten’s million batteries will come from coal-fired power plants at off-peak rates, overnight. But all these trifles raised by STT, overlook the point: this is about political vanity and virtue signalling, at its most base level.

Defying physics, engineering and economics, the ALP is trying to out ‘green’ the Greens, with un-costed, untested nonsense, that will end up costing taxpayers $billions, will not add a single extra watt of generating capacity and, along with Labor’s 50% RET and great big ‘carbon’ tax, will drive electricity prices into the stratosphere, across the entire country. Thereby killing  thousands of businesses and whole industries, and hundreds of thousands of meaningful jobs

Here’s Alan Jones tackling the topic, in an interview with the Federal Energy Minister, Angus Taylor.

Energy Minister takes apart Bill Shorten’s battery plan
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Alan Jones and Angus Taylor
22 November 2018

The federal Energy Minister says Labor’s plan to cut power bills and reduce emissions won’t ensure reliable energy supply.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten will outline the opposition’s policy, based around providing rebates for households that install solar power batteries.

He’ll vow to fund projects that ramp-up the supply of renewable energy, while ruling out any help for coal.

The government’s Angus Taylor tells Alan Jones the plan won’t guarantee reliable, available and affordable power.

“The real problem with this is, even if they install those batteries, it doesn’t touch the sides.

“It’s not even close to enough.

“If we want to keep jobs in this country, if we want to keep manufacturing, if we want to be a country that keeps making things, you have to have an electricity system that’s affordable but can provide that reliable power.”
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Transcript 

Alan Jones: Bill Shorten is going to pledge direct financial support, your money, your money, a further distortion of the energy market. In other words, renewables can’t survive without being supported by your dough. And it’ll be a $200 million commitment, apparently, today. I mean, I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but I just think this is laughable. It’s all you can do. To install batteries in 100,000 homes, and batteries in more than a million households within six years. This is how they’ll get to the 50% renewable energy target. We’ll have solar and wind. We know they won’t work. So, they’ll have batteries in your home. Because we know that renewables are not reliable, not available, not affordable. And this target will be locked in. This will be the centrepiece. It’s unbelievable. I just think this is … I can’t believe a sensible and responsible political party … And really, there’s a case for Scott Morrison calling an immediate election, isn’t there? On this alone. On this alone.

And the Financial Review reports today … I’ve got no knowledge of this other than what I’ve read, that Mr. Shorten will say, “Well, Labor remains committed to a national energy guarantee.” I’m trying to get Angus Taylor on the line here, the energy minister, but the bloke must be just laughing his head off. They won’t be holding the nation and the energy sector hostage while waiting for the coalition to resolve its differences. This bloke is talking about it.

How much damage if we head down this road? I mean, already we’ve got evidence of this in Victoria. Same story. I mean, if we get a very, very, very hot summer, we won’t have enough electricity. We won’t have enough energy. Now, what happened in Victoria? They have legislated in Victoria for a renewable energy target requiring 25% of Victoria’s energy generation to come from renewables by 2020, 40% by 2040. And so then, the Andrew’s government tripled the state brown coal royalties, so Hazelwood Power Station closed down. Turnbull, Mr. Turnbull, wouldn’t reopen it, because Tony Abbott said it should stay open. So, 25% of Victoria’s energy requirements were gone from the grid. 25%.

So what are they saying? Knowing that renewables won’t work and can’t provide available, reliable, and affordable energy, they then unveiled a $1 billion plan, this is in Victoria, and this is what Bill Shorten is going to do today. A $1 billion plan to underwrite six new solar and wind farms in Victoria. Five of them will be foreign owned. And then, they’re going to install 11 diesel generators on the Mornington Peninsula. Unbelievable. Basically, diesel generators to ensure the lights stay on, because solar and wind are unreliable.

I can’t believe we’ve reached this point. But, as you know, Terry McCrann and I have talked, I might be completely wrong, about a national economic suicide note. Here it is, the richest energy country in the world, and we’ve come to this. Daniel, hello.

Daniel:  Good morning, Alan.

Alan Jones: Yeah, good morning.

Daniel:  Look, I just want to say that there’s some benefits, and obviously, negative detractors to solar. I’m currently building a house, and I’m installing solar and battery as a way of sort of insulating myself against power market fluctuation in prices. Which is fine if I can afford it, you know, not everybody can. But what I found out is there’s some severe limitations to solar. Now, while solar has come a long way now, and amazingly, some panels will even work when it’s raining, the idea of batteries, for me, is so that I’ve still got stuff running of a night. But what I found is, if I want to run heavy current items like air conditioning, and clothes dryers, and things like that, it’ll likely chew the guts out of my battery. My battery would be lucky to last a year. And we’re talking about an $8,000 Sonnen battery, German manufactured, best in the market you can get. It’ll kill it.

Alan Jones:  So look, that’s fine in your own personal choice, and that’s good. But just let me give you one stat. You see, this is the issue. You close Liddell in 2022, which AGL will want to do because AGL can get money from renewable energy. I’ll talk to Angus Taylor in a moment about this. That means you’d have to replace 2,000 megawatts. That’s Liddell’s capacity, 2,000 megawatts. That would require a total of 93 million, 93 million solar panels that would cost $20 billion.

Then you’d need the transmission lines to get that energy onto the grid. Then you’d need the backup for when the sun isn’t shining. And so, you’d need an area for all of these solar panels equal to 28 Melbourne CBDs. This is what we’re talking about. I mean, this defies common sense. And we either want to pursue this ideology relentlessly, and send the country broke. I mean, AGL at Liddell want to move from coal to renewables. Now, the scale of the problem of replacing a large coal-fired power station, the scale is monumental.

Now the AGL’s largest solar plant is at Nyngan, and I’m simply saying, and if anyone wants to disprove my figures, away you go. But to replace Liddell, 2,000 megawatts, would require 69 Nyngans. 69. That is a total of 93 million solar panels, costing $20 billion. Then you’ve got to get the energy to the grid. You’ve got to build the transmission lines. Then you need backup for when the sun is not going to shine. And you’d need an area of over 17,000 hectares, equivalent to 28 Melbourne CBDs.

Now, when Lord Ridley, a member of the British House of Lords, was writing for the Spectator magazine on the 30th of May last year, and he asked a question of himself, a rhetorical question. Quote, “To the nearest whole number, what percent of the world’s energy consumption was supplied by wind power in 2014?” Which was the last year for which there were reliable figures. “To the nearest whole number, what percentage of the world’s energy consumption was supplied by wind power in 2014? Was it 20%?” he said. “Was it 10%? Was it 5%?” He answered his own question. “None of the above. It was zero percent. That is to say, to the nearest whole number, there is still no wind power on earth.” And he made the point that wind provided in 2014 0.46 of a percent of global energy consumption. 0.46. Solar, 0.35.

I mean, we are kidding ourselves, and we’ve got coal coming out of our ears. We’ve got uranium coming out of our ears. Angus Taylor is the federal minister for energy, and whatever else he might know or not know, it’s generally conceded, this is not my pumping up Angus Taylor’s tyres, it’s generally conceded that this bloke has most probably forgotten more before he came into the parliament about energy policy and renewable energy than everybody in the parliament knows, and as I’ve said earlier today, he’s just got to be laughing. You can’t take this stuff seriously.

And Angus Taylor, good morning to you. Thank you for your time, but I’m sorry, I can’t take this stuff seriously, so we’re going to install what? 1 million batteries. Isn’t that proof positive that they’re not going to be able to provide the electricity required from solar and wind?

Angus Taylor: Well, let me add another stat to what you just said there, Alan. If you took the batteries that Bill Shorten is going to pay for, there’s a big, new Labor handout, they love their handouts, and I’ve got nothing against people putting up batteries if it’s a personal choice, but if you take the money he’s going to spend on it, that will keep the Tomago smelter going, up near Newcastle, for about 15 minutes. $200 million worth he’s going to spend on this. 15 minutes for an aluminium smelter.

Now, if we want to keep heavy industry going in this country, if we want to keep the aluminium smelters going, the steel mills, the abattoirs. If we want to make sure that we’ve got the jobs in all of those industries that require energy, so important, irrigators out there. You know, with the drought, they use a huge amount of energy. If we want to keep these industries alive, and well, and competitive in this country, we’ve got to have low-cost, affordable, reliable sources of power.

Now what Bill Shorten has conceded in what he’s put out today is that you will pay more for your power under Labor, that is absolutely clear. You can’t trust Bill Shorten to keep the lights on. And it appears that he’s on the side of the big energy companies. And there are three things we simply won’t stand for, and it’s why we determined, as I’ve said before on your show, Alan, to bring in more affordable, reliable, 24/7 power, that means coal, gas, hydro, we’ve got to get the mix right. But it’s got to be power that’s there when you need it-

Alan Jones: Well look, this is-

Angus Taylor:    … at a low cost.

Alan Jones: All right, look, I’m sorry. Normally, I would allow myself to be involved in a deep, philosophical policy debate here. I can’t take this seriously. I’m sorry. There will be a litmus test this Saturday, will there not? Because Daniel Andrews himself, it’ll be interesting to see whether the Victorians are alert to all of this. He has a legislated policy of 25% of renewables by 2020, 40% by 2040, and the closure of Hazelwood is taking 25% of Victoria’s energy requirements out of the grid. He’s unveiled six new solar and wind farms, a billion dollars, taxpayers’ money. Five of the six projects are foreign owned, and now, he’s got this crackpot proposal, a bit like Bill Shorten, that they’ll install 11 diesel generators at the Mornington Peninsula.

Alan Jones: Just one simple question, ’cause I think all this has got to be reduced to simplicities, from your perspective and your knowledge, and as I said, you’ve forgotten more about this than most people know, if you start talking about installing batteries in 100,000 or a million homes, doesn’t it mean that you’re admitting that you cannot guarantee reliable, available, and affordable energy via wind and solar?

Angus Taylor: Yes. That’s exactly right, Alan. And the real problem with this is, even if they install those batteries, it doesn’t touch the sides. It’s not even close to enough. 15 minutes for the Tomago smelter. I mean, if we want to keep jobs in this country, if we want to keep manufacturing. If we want to be a country that keeps making things, you have to have an electricity system that’s affordable, that can provide that reliable power.

Alan Jones: Okay. Well, you’re not the prime minister, but why wouldn’t you call an election immediately? This is such a critical national issue, and make this alone the issue. You want to go this way, or that way? It’s energy policy. I mean, this is a suicide note. This is an economic suicide note, which I have been warning for some time. Just hang on there, ’cause there’s some callers here want to ask you a question. Dave from Wollongong, Angus Taylor’s on the line, Dave.

Dave: Yeah, ask the minister what would be-

Alan Jones:  No, you ask him. You ask him.

Dave:  What would be the carbon footprint to build all of these batteries?

Angus Taylor: Well, it would be enormous. But the bigger issue, Dave, you know, if you’re down in Wollongong, you’ve got a steel mill there, it needs low-cost, affordable, reliable power. I was down there just last week at Port Kembla, and this is, we’ve got to have the affordable, reliable power. And you simply can’t get it, at the price we need, in the way Bill Shorten is proposing to do it.

Alan Jones:  That’s a very good point that Dave makes, isn’t it? I mean, if they’re talking about reducing the carbon footprint, how much carbon dioxide-

Angus Taylor: Well, I-

Alan Jones:  … is going to be emitted in the manufacture of all these millions of batteries?

Angus Taylor:  You’re right, Alan. But, at the end of the day, we’ve got to have affordable, reliable power.

Alan Jones: That’s all that matters. It’s got to be available, affordable, and reliable.

Angus Taylor: Exactly right.

Alan Jones: All right, minister, good on you. Thank you for your time.
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Comments

  1. There is another LOL – let’s just calculate the cost of energy stored in a battery 5-7 kW. Let’s make it 15 kWh. The price I pay in Victoria is 0.19 cents per kWh. So, the value in a battery is an astronomical number – 3 AUD! So, that piece of sheep will keep 3 AUD worth energy!!!
    If I would go to a bank for a business loan and tell them “Guys, I need 30K to run a business which will generate 3 AUD a day. Could I borrow?”. Hope, they will not use their legs to kick me off their office…

  2. Gary Spencer-Salt says:

    John Curtain in WWII faced a major issue and that was to take Australia from a agrarian society to a industrial society now the same party is about to complete the transformation back to that.

    The election in Victoria proves that those who can change governments are governed by feelings. I pray I am wrong but god help their children because there are no six figure incomes pulling coffee…!

  3. Terry Conn. says:

    Time and time again I am told by the middle class Australians I know that the ‘cost’ of running the nation on renewable energy is irrelevant but fossil fuelled generation must go – what they simply don’t get is that it doesn’t work and is not fit for purpose. Apparently Australians are so wealthy cost doesn’t matter and this weekend’s Victorian election apparently proves that in respect to electricity. Angus Taylor desperately needs to sharpen his narrative on why ‘renewables’ fail to deliver, he needs to acknowledge the problems his government’s adherence to the RET and REC has caused and continues to cause and call wind and solar to account for their indisputable failure as generators and suppliers of electricity for the grid – middle class Australia has no idea that reliance on wind and solar will not fire up their computers, heat or cool their homes on demand, or charge their electric cars and they don’t give a damn about local industry when you can get everything from China (or somewhere near there). STT consistently provides a realistic narrative, but it appears both our major political parties are determined to ignore the reality apparently because most genuinely believe in unicorns as does their electorates. We need a minister for energy who can deliver a coherent and true narrative that voters can understand – it’s your call Angus, you know the facts.

    • Ertimus J Waffle says:

      The problem in Asstralia is that everyone involved in this farcical piece of theater haven’t got a clue what they are talking about or any knowledge about the electricity system Most Asstralians couldn’t even change a tap washer or light baulb so how does STT or anyone with the knowledge get through to these people and ordinary deluded half witted Asstralians who believe in fairies and that solar and 14 th century wind power is reliable and cheap. When the whole system fails and the country is in darkness gullible Asstralians will still be backing the construction of more windmills. Don Quixote might have been a fictional character in history but to Asstralians he was a hero building more windmills. Welcome to Asstralia the lucky country whose education system has let the country and its populace down dismally and in time Asstralia will become the laughing stock of the world.

  4. Peter Pronczak says:

    This started many years ago but sped up with the 1980s ALP/NLP economic consensus to do what the City of London Corporation says. The stupidity became insanity when our pollies got guaranteed superannuation (brain damage from leaded petrol?) – the I’m alright you’re just plebs syndrome – so we now have a post industrial society and as Hans Joachim Schellnhuber (the CO2 fudger) said at Copenhagen, the climate science has shown the carrying capacity of the planet is 2 billion or less people: So keep calling a spade a shovel, none of it has anything to do with climate change or CO2.

    The problem with the RE zealots is they are hypocrites, and whether they know it or not, they support globalism – a euphemism for the British Empire of debt slavery and the military industrial complex.

    This hysterical blaming of mankind as being at fault for everything is ridiculous. Ask a climate changer why there has been massive atmospheric CO2 and ice ages before humans existed and they ignore those facts. Talk about nuclear energy, again unwarranted hysterics about danger. While ignoring the nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights is hypocritical. I doubt any have even noticed since some plastic bag banning; even those made from corn starch, some meat plastic packaging has become thicker. The petrochemical industry finds many alternative ways to increase profit with most reusable bag buyers also supporting the synthetic plastics industry.
    How many liters of oil add how much CO2 when a wind turbine catches fire? Catch 22: make them smaller – less oil; bigger more electricity – well sort of, if the huff & puff is there.

    How many RE zealots and pollies are driving around in new expensive petrol or diesel vehicles. How much are they going to spend on decorations, rubbish gifts and overindulgence this Christmas? Oh but of course that’s different, it’s to do with religion isn’t it?

    UK PM Teresa May agreed in 2016 to China taking over the completion of one nuclear reactor, with up to 100% Chinese ownership, and building two more, one of its own design. Earlier this year Britain launched two of the biggest aircraft carriers ever built, probably nuclear armed as well.
    It’s all ‘save the planet’ for disease carrying mosquitoes: Prince Phillip wants to come back as a virus to cull humans, don’t worry about us being the only willfully creative species; meaning we can do anything if we put our mind to it rather than going backwards with regressive ‘alternative energy’ (alternative to economic & reliable) that doesn’t even have disposal solutions to all of the toxic components.
    Even BP Solar did a runner after its Buerstadt, German plant caught fire and couldn’t be put out – see if that story can still be found on the web; but their own panels are catching fire – put them on the roofs of all the parliaments and the message might start to sink through all the fick-heads.

  5. drgenenelson says:

    Here are two important articles that rebut the wish-filled claims of solar power and wind power promoters. Californians for Green Nuclear Power, Inc.at CGNP dot org holds that the purpose of solar and wind is to preserve the fossil-fired status quo via a well-funded public relations outreach – since neither solar power nor wind power yield substantial emissions reductions in real-world reasonably-priced electric power grid applications. The only path forward is widespread adoption of nuclear power, which fossil-fuel interests aggressively oppose.

    “Evaluation of a proposal for reliable low-cost grid power with 100% wind, water, and solar” by Clack et. al. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2017)
    https://tinyurl.com/Jacobson-Debunked

    and

    “The $2.5 trillion reason we can’t rely on batteries to clean up the grid,” by James Temple, MIT Technology Review, 27 July 2018, https://tinyurl.com/Battery-Boondoggle

  6. It is not a million dollar brain fart. It is a billion dollar brain fart.
    Remember you still have to generate it first. Good luck charging batteries using solar in June July and August in Victoria.

    • Our reference to a million is to the number of batteries promised by Shorten, not the cost.

      • The cost of his proposal is more important than the actual number of batteries. Most people would not know exactly what kind of battery he is talking about.
        They only read the headline like me.

      • Reasonable people don’t stop at the headline…

      • Actually, I skimmed the article. But you are not dealing with reasonable people. I am an unavowed advocate of Nuclear Energy.
        My opinion is that Wind and Solar except in certain geographic location are just a waste of money. Their only economic value is saving diesel fuel.
        Most people have no idea how the grid (the biggest machine in Australia) works.
        I have some experience in the Electricity industry in Qld and the biggest problem is the interference by politicians who do not even know which watt is what.

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