No ‘Comparison’ Between Part-time Wind Power & Full-time Fossil Fuel

Renewables rent seekers keep telling us how cheap wind and solar are, compared to those ‘evil’ fossil fuels, coal and gas.

But ‘price’ and ‘value’ are not the same animals. What we pay for something, and what it’s worth depends entirely upon what we get. And, in relation to the consumption of electricity, whether or not we get it, at all.

Wind power might be ‘free’, but try purchasing it, at any price, when the wind stops blowing.

Comparing weather dependent wind generation with sources available, around-the-clock, irrespective of the weather, is a game played by intellectual pygmies. There is, of course, no comparison.

So when you’re faced with a pile of numbers said to show how wind stacks up against the big boys, the obvious retort is, ‘when’? When I need it, or when the wind is just right?

Donn Dears picks up that thread quite neatly in this little piece.

Power for USA
Donn Dears
23 March 2018

Obfuscation can be defined as:

“When someone presents an argument containing unnecessarily complex language that confuses or deceives.”

We are now confronting obfuscation when it comes to understanding or evaluating the generation and use of electricity.

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) is a prime example of an organization guilty of obfuscation.

A rational person, in evaluating the generation and use of electricity, will want to know its cost and reliability.

But the rational person is now confronted with a plethora of competing terms and evaluations.

For example:

  • Levelized Avoided Cost of Electricity (LACE)
  • Lowest marginal cost of electricity
  • Capacity Value.

Few people, even those who closely follow the market for electricity, really understand all these terms.

Here is how the EIA, a practitioner of obfuscation, describes LACE:

“The calculation of avoided costs is based on the marginal value of energy and capacity that would result from adding a unit of a given technology to the system as it exists or is projected to exist at a specified future date and represents the potential value available to the project owner from the project’s contribution to satisfying both energy and capacity requirements.”

These terms and complexities are designed to help promote wind and solar.

For example, here is how one anonymous person, i.e., EngineerPoet, describes the use of LACE:

“Wind and solar generation can only be valued at the cost it avoids, not its own levelized cost.”

But, as a consumer, I’m interested in:

“What does my electricity cost me, and do wind and solar increase my cost?”

The question is easily answered since the average residential cost of electricity is available for each state, as is each state’s investment in wind and solar.

Table 1 lists states with the highest cost of electricity, other than Alaska and Hawaii which are unique due to their geographic locations.

The accompanying graph of the United States shows states with the highest and lowest cost for electricity:

Graphic from CarbonBrief/Clear on Climate


The data on the installed capacity for Table 2, was extracted from the CarbonBrief/Clear on Climate website, while electricity costs are from the EIA, as in Table 1.

Two exceptions are worth noting:

  • Washington cost 9.63 c/kWh, has low cost because 67% is produced by hydro
  • Idaho cost 10.11 c/kWh, has low cost because 49% is produced by hydro.

Additional Comment Regarding LACE
Here is the formula used by EIA to calculate LACE:

Of interest is the number of dispatched hours. Using dispatched hours is interesting because, where auctions are used, the marginal cost allows wind and solar to always beat out other types of power generation sources, which results in increased dispatched hours.

In other words, LACE uses data from a feedback loop that increases the number of dispatched hours.

This raises an additional concern, not yet investigated:

If auctions result in more dispatched hours than would otherwise have occurred if full costs were used, it might inflate the capacity factors used elsewhere by the EIA.

The above graphics and tables answer whether wind and solar increases the cost of electricity, which is what the average consumer is interested in knowing.

It’s clear:

  • States listed in table 1, with policies favoring wind and solar, have high electricity costs.
  • States listed in table 2, that rely predominantly on coal and natural gas, with little or no installed wind and solar, have the lowest electricity costs.

Wind and solar increases the cost of electricity.

No amount obfuscation can hide this fact.
Power for USA

About stopthesethings

We are a group of citizens concerned about the rapid spread of industrial wind power generation installations across Australia.


  1. Reblogged this on Petrossa's Blog.

  2. Reblogged this on Tallbloke's Talkshop and commented:
    Promoting public awareness of the high cost and lack of reliability of weather-dependent power generation is important. Once fortunes have been spent and national grid systems are creaking under the strain of on-off power, it’s much harder to change course.

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